Oh, please. Biden/Harris provided billions of dollars in military aid to Israel. They essentially paid for the genocide. Yeah, it's a total mystery what she could have done differently. And if you still don't think it's a genocide, take it up with Amnesty International; Human Rights Watch; the Human Rights Council of the United Nations; …
Oh, please. Biden/Harris provided billions of dollars in military aid to Israel. They essentially paid for the genocide. Yeah, it's a total mystery what she could have done differently. And if you still don't think it's a genocide, take it up with Amnesty International; Human Rights Watch; the Human Rights Council of the United Nations; the world's leading Holocaust scholars, such as Omer Bartov; leading public intellectuals like Ta-Nehisi Coates; a growing list of national governments including South Africa, Belgium, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Egypt, Ireland, Spain, Libya, Mexico, Nicaragua, Turkey; and indeed most of the rest of the world. But, sure, probably her "classiness" was the problem.
I'm not advocating anything. I'm calling you foolish for choosing to sit out an election where Donald Trump was on the ballot, especially if you are actually concerned about the struggle of Palestinians and their right to self-determination and dignity.
I'm fully aware of the dangers Trump presents. That's why I voted against him.
Super dumb response. When will workers realise that BOTH parties are just PR firms for the American oligarchy, intelligence services and military industry? People who act like voting for one or another candidate is an existential choice are just clown shoes at this point. Some of us aren't that excruciatingly stupid.
Elections are choices. The choice wasn’t between Kamala and a pro-Palestinian candidate. It was between Kamala and someone who thinks Israel should keep going and jettison any hopes of a two-state solution.
Oh, gee, thanks for this fresh perspective. The choice was between enabling genocide & not doing so. To participate in the election in the first place was to be complicit in genocide.
It's completely coherent if you're not a liberal for whom electoral politics amounts to a civic religion. Nonparticipation is also a choice, one that most people I know felt just fine with, even if some did end up voting for Harris. How would you suggest one might convince the Democratic Party not to support genocide if they can do so & still obtain the votes of those who oppose genocide? I mean, you want me to vote for you? Maybe you shouldn't have used my tax dollars to murder tens of thousands of children. Or maybe you at least should have said ONE thing to indicate that you would not continue Biden's trajectory on the matter.
If you cared about the kids, you'd have voted for the candidate more likely to end the bloodshed more quickly. What you're really interested in is posturing. Which is cool - you do you. But don't pretend you have moral superiority. Your non-participation helped elect Trump, who will make the problem you purportedly care about even worse.
Yes, we're all familiar with the tired argument, thanks. I don't even need to read your replies, I can just fill in the next blank in the liberal guilt-trip handbook.
Of course you're not willing to engage in honest discourse. Your positions are incoherent, childish, and devoid of nuance. You're not showing commitment to principles; you're flaunting your privilege.
Again, this is too familiar to engage with. I can’t conduct your political education for you. You’re the one who ignored my question about how to persuade the Democrats if we simply reward them reflexively with our votes no matter our opposition to their stated principles. Is there anything at all Harris could have done to cost her yr vote? If so, you’re arguing against yrself. If not, you’re just proving my point. You guys will go along with literally anything.
And I don’t know if you just don’t know the meaning of the word “incoherent” or what, but coherence is one thing my position, which, again, has a long pedigree, has in spades.
"Too familiar to engage with." You are a walking trope: a leftist poet and college professor who won't even engage with people who mostly *agree* with him because of his own sense of superiority and purity.
The idea that you could give anyone a "political education" is rich. You're like a 12-year old.
Yes it’s amazing that i can resist engaging with such a delightful guy. And i said i have friends who voted for Harris. I hardly think myself “superior” to them; the difference is they don’t think themselves superior to me for their choice, either. And purity, that laughable liberal watchword, doesn’t enter into it.
Oh, please. Biden/Harris provided billions of dollars in military aid to Israel. They essentially paid for the genocide. Yeah, it's a total mystery what she could have done differently. And if you still don't think it's a genocide, take it up with Amnesty International; Human Rights Watch; the Human Rights Council of the United Nations; the world's leading Holocaust scholars, such as Omer Bartov; leading public intellectuals like Ta-Nehisi Coates; a growing list of national governments including South Africa, Belgium, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Egypt, Ireland, Spain, Libya, Mexico, Nicaragua, Turkey; and indeed most of the rest of the world. But, sure, probably her "classiness" was the problem.
I'm not advocating anything. I'm calling you foolish for choosing to sit out an election where Donald Trump was on the ballot, especially if you are actually concerned about the struggle of Palestinians and their right to self-determination and dignity.
I'm fully aware of the dangers Trump presents. That's why I voted against him.
Super dumb response. When will workers realise that BOTH parties are just PR firms for the American oligarchy, intelligence services and military industry? People who act like voting for one or another candidate is an existential choice are just clown shoes at this point. Some of us aren't that excruciatingly stupid.
Calling my response "super dumb" while offering this steaming pile of bullshit is the laugh I needed heading into the weekend. Thanks, Al.
Elections are choices. The choice wasn’t between Kamala and a pro-Palestinian candidate. It was between Kamala and someone who thinks Israel should keep going and jettison any hopes of a two-state solution.
Oh, gee, thanks for this fresh perspective. The choice was between enabling genocide & not doing so. To participate in the election in the first place was to be complicit in genocide.
You are simply incoherent. Kamala was the candidate most likely to pressure Bibi toward a meaningful ceasefire. Trump will be worse.
It's completely coherent if you're not a liberal for whom electoral politics amounts to a civic religion. Nonparticipation is also a choice, one that most people I know felt just fine with, even if some did end up voting for Harris. How would you suggest one might convince the Democratic Party not to support genocide if they can do so & still obtain the votes of those who oppose genocide? I mean, you want me to vote for you? Maybe you shouldn't have used my tax dollars to murder tens of thousands of children. Or maybe you at least should have said ONE thing to indicate that you would not continue Biden's trajectory on the matter.
If you cared about the kids, you'd have voted for the candidate more likely to end the bloodshed more quickly. What you're really interested in is posturing. Which is cool - you do you. But don't pretend you have moral superiority. Your non-participation helped elect Trump, who will make the problem you purportedly care about even worse.
Yes, we're all familiar with the tired argument, thanks. I don't even need to read your replies, I can just fill in the next blank in the liberal guilt-trip handbook.
Of course you're not willing to engage in honest discourse. Your positions are incoherent, childish, and devoid of nuance. You're not showing commitment to principles; you're flaunting your privilege.
Again, this is too familiar to engage with. I can’t conduct your political education for you. You’re the one who ignored my question about how to persuade the Democrats if we simply reward them reflexively with our votes no matter our opposition to their stated principles. Is there anything at all Harris could have done to cost her yr vote? If so, you’re arguing against yrself. If not, you’re just proving my point. You guys will go along with literally anything.
And I don’t know if you just don’t know the meaning of the word “incoherent” or what, but coherence is one thing my position, which, again, has a long pedigree, has in spades.
"Too familiar to engage with." You are a walking trope: a leftist poet and college professor who won't even engage with people who mostly *agree* with him because of his own sense of superiority and purity.
The idea that you could give anyone a "political education" is rich. You're like a 12-year old.
Yes it’s amazing that i can resist engaging with such a delightful guy. And i said i have friends who voted for Harris. I hardly think myself “superior” to them; the difference is they don’t think themselves superior to me for their choice, either. And purity, that laughable liberal watchword, doesn’t enter into it.